Thursday, January 8, 2009

Fuck OpenID

I've been getting complaints in my inbox about OpenID lately and they've spread to the comments. So, I gave it a whirl the other day, tried to register, comment, and found out that the system is indeed flawed. The failed OpenID experiment is over; and, boy, what a failure I'm now beginning to realize it was.

So, what is going to happen now is the following (italicized and blockquoted for emphasis):
Comments will still be moderated, as they were on the previous venture, but you no longer need an OpenID to comment. Comments are now open to anyone. We do, however, still strongly encourage you to comment under an anonymous username you use consistently (like our fellow Smoker author Mr Zero used to do). This requires no registration, just typing in a moniker when you decide to comment. We had to pick names, now you can too!
Have at it!

--STBJD

17 comments:

Asstro said...

Yay. Good move. I didn't want to comment with that damned OpenID account.

I still think you should just drop all moderation. Since this isn't really a job market blog anymore, but is, instead, just a bitchfest about philosophy, I think it should be open for all. When you folks get jobs, you can come out of the closet.

I frankly think that the other blog lost a lot of steam when it went to moderation. It was really fun and interesting until that point. Once you guys started moderating, the posts were much more irregular and discussions considerably less dynamic.

mickey marketeer said...

amen! 'bout fucking time, in my opinion. the comment threads at PJMB used to be great, in no small part because lots of people commented. I personally think you take the whole reference-by-timestamp thing too seriously. Sure, it's nonideal, but this is a group of people equipped to handle it. Trying to force us to pick handles is like, well, trying to herd cats.

so - this job market year has been bizarro in a lot of ways. let's get a good thread discussion going on it. in particular, I think we could come up with some positive suggestions for what we would like to get out of placement services and how this could be best accomplished. then maybe it'll be better next year.

Pixelation said...

See, now this I can get behind.

Soon-to-be Jaded Dissertator said...

Asstro, et al.

Thanks for the support. The comments really are open to all, there are just some things we'd like to avoid in the comments. From the old venture, we probably all remember what those sorts of things are.

So, better safe than sorry here. You have our word that we'll try to avoid letting moderation fuck with the posting habits and try to keep discussions as dynamic as possible.

As for the reference by time-stamp, I just think it is funner for people to be able to reference back to names, sometimes funny, than just time-stamps. But, let's see how people take to it.

Anonymous said...

the openid and to a lesser extent the moderation is essentially killing this blog. just open it up. (my main complaint with the moderation is just the fact that comments take too much time to post. it slows the discussion down.)

I remain anonymous (3:26 maybe?)

Asstro said...

Not to beat this horse, but moderation just slows things down. There were a few really hot discussions back in the day; a few where several of us threw down against the others. It felt really good just to have an open forum for complete blow-outs. Part of that was made possible because, say, Prof. J or someone else would write something and one of us would then respond immediately. As you have it now, we never know when our post will appear, and when it does appear, it sometimes appears in a cluster of four or five other posts.

If I recall, the initial push for moderation came on the heels of speculation about your identities. Maybe I'm forgetting the original context, but since your identities aren't really as much of an issue anymore, maybe I can get you to reconsider.

Unlike Leiter, I happen to think there's a really good reason to have an anonymous free-for-all on these here intertubes.

That said, I defer to you. This is your forum, and it's been much fun over the past year.

imposter syndrome said...

Thanks for fixing this!

first year tt guy said...

Thanks! I'm still reading with interest... now I can post too...

Ben said...

Hopefully this will get more people commenting here. Speaking of which, is it possible to get the five most recent comments appearing on the left (as at PJMB)?

Filosofer said...

Whether moderation is desirable or not, "handles" are FAR superior to the old "Anon 4:12 and Anon 5:43 are jackasses" system.

Anonymous said...

no comment

imposter syndrome said...

I concur with Asstro and Anon 3:26. I was surprised to see how long it took my last post to appear... I posted it after the 4th poster, but it appeared 7th... and, more importantly, only after a very long delay. This can really strangle the flow of conversation.

Jerk Face said...

Yeah!!!

And I have to agree about the moderation. It slows things down and really dampens the fun...maybe instead of pre-emptive moderation you guys might think of post facto moderation. Simply let it be known that suspect comments will be deleted; problem solved and everyone is happy...

Anon jackass said...

jerk face is so completely right. post facto moderate. I invite you to put this comment up and then delete it later. pleeease... delete me. oh that's it, delete me good.

Clarence William said...

Good. Now let me second (third? fourth?) the call to end moderation, at least the pre-emptive variety. It really does hamper discussion. I hated it when PJMB switched. After the "disclose the hosts" game ended, they should have closed moderation. I'm in favor of post-facto moderation, e.g., when innocent names are named.

Anonymous said...

So, I'm not blog/board savvy enough to have an opinion about 'moderating' - although I do think the really stupid and vulgar stuff could be dropped. However, I completely applaud the availability of the Anon option - only because I have struggled with BOTH OpenID and Google and am completely flummoxed and miserable. (Also, somewhere in there, something nasty got into my computer and I wasted half a day cleaning it out.)
As for the ease/fun of identifying one another... we could just sign with some kind of name.
Cstars

Anonymous said...

Yeah, open forum and all that, but all it takes is one douchebag to name names, and you can't unsee that kind of thing. Word gets out, etc. I understand not wanting to be tied to this blog all the time.