Tuesday, August 2, 2011

When Will the JFP come back?

In comments, anon 1:27 writes,

Speaking of the new APA website, is there any word when the JFP will be back online?


None that I'm aware of. Anybody know the answer to this one?

--Mr. Zero

P.S. The new website is worse than the old one, difficult as that is to believe.

34 comments:

Anonymous said...

The original poster here. The APA site has been updated so that the news feed reads as follows:

===
The Jobs for Philosophers & the Proceedings issues are now available online, located under
"Resources-->Member Resources," viewable for members after login.
===

After logging in, however, I can find no such "Member Resources" section, nor does it appear on the sitemap. Fantastic work.

Anonymous said...

I had the same problem. But after logging in and then clicking on the Resources link at the top, the Member Resources link appeared in the left hand side. When you click on that it takes you to the JFPs and the online summer ads.

Never mind that the site is horrible. Also never mind that the summer ads for 2011 no longer include some of the postings that were on the list before they changed to the new page. Never mind that this website is confusing and so on....you might still be able to find the link...eventually.

Anonymous said...

I was able to find the JFPs.
(1) I logged in.
(2) Clicked on 'resources'
(3) 'Member resources' was the last option available, clicked on that.
(4) It then took me to a list of the proceedings and addresses and the JFPs.

So that route is available and successful for at least some of us. Why I can access it and the OP can't, I have no idea.

I will echo everyone else's sentiments, though -- this is not an improvement over the old website and it's not clear why they couldn't hire someone to actually make a site that is intuitive and aesthetically pleasing.

Anonymous said...

could somebody who can find it post the url for the jfp page in a comment here?

Anonymous said...

The URL is:

http://www.apaonline.org/APAOnline/Members_Only/JFP/Web_Only_Ads/Summer_Web_Ads_2011.aspx

I followed Anon 9:13's directions to get there. (The Member Resources link is in the menu on the left side of the Resources page.)

If you try to go directly to the JFP before logging into the site you will be redirected to an 'access denied' page with a different URL.

Anonymous said...

Here's another mystery. What happened to the APA member discount at OUP? Do we no longer get it, or has the APA just hidden the information?

Anonymous said...

More complaints:

Why is the list of JFP issues and web ads in a random order so that the most recent ads are somewhere in the middle?

Why are the ads now even MORE difficult to read than before?

The man responsible for this debacle is named David Schrader. I will vote for any candidate to the APA Executive Committee who runs on the platform of firing David Schrader.

Anonymous said...

thanks for the tips on how to access the JFP! I was also in the dark

Anonymous said...

What a waste of resources to "update" the website. The "updated" version is worse than the old site. So confusing; the JFP ads are hard to read; the site as a whole looks amateurish.
Check out the American Sociological Association website for comparison.
http://www.asanet.org/index.cfm
Is a professional-looking website really too much to ask of the APA?

Anonymous said...

I'm actually a member of another APA, which has a far superior website:

http://www.amerpoultryassn.com/

Anonymous said...

I don't get it. Why is the APA such a raging shitstorm?

Anonymous said...

Why are the ads now even MORE difficult to read than before?

It's all part of a new game the APA's instituting this year. Welcome to "Find That Job!"

Anonymous said...

Wasn't someone (was it Mr.Zero?) recently bandying about a call for a new, separate national organization? I'd join it, if your website is functional.

WV: ressesse, like the peanut butter cups

Anonymous said...

I [insert complaint] the APA!

Anonymous said...

I don't get it. Why is the APA such a raging shitstorm?

Because the office of the executive director is filled with incompetents.

Fire David Schrader.

The members' activities are not raging shitstorms. It's the day to day operations of the business end that are stubbornly stuck in the distant past. (See, e.g., website, conference registration by fax, etc.)

Anonymous said...

Another complaint. I've been getting e-mails from the Pacific APA talking about submitting online -- you can only submit online now, etc. There's a link in the e-mail about online submission which takes you to a page that talks about online submission -- how you do it, etc.

One problem -- there is no way I can discern at present to submit your paper online for the Pacific APA. Has anyone else been able to do it? What's going on? And if you can't do it yet, why don't they just say that somewhere? It could just say something about how the online submission system isn't up yet, but will be by August xx. So simple.

Anonymous said...

The problem and the solution are indeed obvious. Those responsible for the day-to-day operation of the APA are incompetent, and need to be replaced. There's nothing mysterious about it. The only mystery is what it would take to instigate change.

Anonymous said...

I don't get it. Why is the APA such a raging shitstorm?

This person is responsible:

David Schrader, Executive Director
Office of the Executive Director
(302) 831-8691
dschrade@udel.edu

Anonymous said...

5:53

I got the same email and am having the same problem. On the conference page it says: "Click on a division for more information including meeting news, registration and reservation forms and meeting programs"

There's no links.

Anonymous said...

Did somebody email Brian Leiter about the American Poultry Association, or does he mine the comment threads at the Philosophy Smoker for jokes and then attribute them to a "reader"?

KateNorlock said...

Okay, campers, I sent an email to the national APA office, and cc-ed Amy Kind as Pacific meeting program director, and a bunch of individual email addresses on the APA website, to explain to them that we need some sort of announcement or instruction as to how to submit papers for Pacific Division, on the new site:


Greetings, colleagues. The deadline for the upcoming Pacific APA is less than a month away, but philosophers are emailing each other wondering where to find the mandatory "APA submission web site" on the new site.

Could you please send out an email announcement to the membership providing us with the actual link to the page on which we must submit Pacific APA submissions? Please clarify exactly where on the new apaonline website this page exists. Currently, my students can only find pages telling us all that we must use the APA website, but there is no actual page or link that permits us to do so (or none that any of us can find).

I see from many blogs that a lot of colleagues are having the same difficulty. We would really appreciate an announcement of any kind as to where to submit papers.

Thanks,

Anonymous said...

Thank you Kate Norlock!

If you want to take over the APA at some point, you have my support.

Anonymous said...

thanks kate!

Anonymous said...

Currently, Thursday 12:50 eastern time, the apaonline.org site is down.

They should just put the old site back up. The new one is a dumpster fire. Restoring the old site should be easy if the person who put the new one up didn't delete it.

Prof. Kate said...

Take over the APA? Bite your tongue, I'm the Anonymous at August 2, 2011 3:59 PM who asked someone to start a new national organization! (Thought I'd signed in, but I guess not.)

The job of being in charge looks awful, anyway. I can't help feeling a bit bad for David Schraeder, who inevitably takes the public blame and who could not have been the guy who designed the new website. (I know, the buck stops there, but still.)

How awesome is it that my wv is "perma."

KateNorlock said...

Hey, okay, the apaonline site now says this in their news-alert box:

PAPER SUBMISSIONS: The online feature for submitting papers for the APA Pacific Division Program will be available very soon. When available, the link will be posted prominently in the blue header bar on the website’s front page.

I cannot help thinking that either the program deadline should be extended, or the pacific PTBs should provide an email address, but at least they have indicated recognition of the problem now.

Anonymous said...

Re: "I can't help feeling a bit bad for David Schraeder, who inevitably takes the public blame"

Yes, but If we want and deserve a competent, functional professional organization there's no way around it. Change has to start at the top.

That means holding David Schrader accountable for doing the job he's paid to do. He may be a nice guy. It may be a tough job. But he should have gotten his act together or been replaced years ago.

Anonymous said...

Why should the deadline for the Pacific submission be extended? Are you given extra points for submitting your paper prior to the Sept. 1st deadline?

Anonymous said...

Good to know APA still doesn't know how to secure "Member Only" documents, despite the re-design.

Thanks Anon 10:11!

Anonymous said...

Well, the link for conference submission is now up. It brings me to a page asking me to verify my membership info. One of the required fields is blank and I can't type anything in it. Hence, I can't proceed. Anyone else having this problem? I've tried with three different browsers.

Small Fish said...

Having the same problem with the blank fields. This is one of the most embarrassing excuses for a professional organization I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with.

Why is it that world of warcraft guilds seem to be able to build better websites than the official organization for American philosophy?

Disgraceful.

Anonymous said...

I just successfully submitted my paper to the Pacific Division meeting with Safari.

Anonymous said...

is it just me, or does the APA site look worse everyday?

I submitted my paper to the pacific as well. I am not entirely certain I submitted it successfully, but did find a couple of confirmation emails in my spam folder

Anonymous said...

I am able to log on to the APA website, but I am unable to see the Members Resources link under Resources. Thus, I am unable to find the JFP online. A week ago I emailed the APA about this issue. I have yet to hear back from them. Has anyone else had this problem? Also, is there some sort of "backdoor" way of viewing the Web Only ads?