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Damn. And to think I spent all that time writing cover letters when I could have just included that.
should I expect a pfo for all, most, or only a few of those schools that choose not to interview me? do the pfos come at the same time or later than the invites?
I'd be more inclined to give this cat an interview than I am to give an interview to the candidate that misspelled their own name ... on their own damned CV.
9:25, Expect a couple now, some later, some much later, and some not at all. 9:56, I totally just checked my CV.
That cat is wearing a flashy tie. Disqualified!Also, the lack of pants is not encouraging.His ideas about Descartes intrigue me, however.
Hi positions on animal rights are bit outside the norm, though.
Just checked my CV too. It's fine (my-own-name-spelling-wise), thank God.
If he starts to purr during the interview, would it count as "brown-nosing"?
Disqualified! Not only didn't use the right fork at dinner--didn't use any at all! And then cleaned up afterwards right at the table by licking everything but--and then licked that!wv: acietsms--shudders from watching feline auto-hygiene
I must have applied to thirty schools the first year out, and I only remember a couple of them sending me PFOs (except for the ones who interviewed me at the APA, I mean). Hm, maybe I'm remembering this wrong. I would've answered "only a few" to 9:25.
In addition to registering my appreciation of your cat's levity, I wonder whether anyone with a knowledge of D.C. can tell me whether booking at the Omni Shoreham rather than the Marriott will doom my chances of ever receiving a tenure-track job. It's a lot cheaper, and I might be willing to risk messing up my hair in the rain.
4:12, there is a slight advantage, when you're interviewing, to having your own room right in the same hotel. But since the Omni is right around the corner, it's only slight -- and it can be a relief to leave the interviewing hotel when you're done for the evening, too. I stayed off site when I was interviewing, but much further, which I guess I don't recommend.So, I think you're fine staying at the Omni. (I am.) And an added advantage is that it is less likely to catch fire.
Last year I stayed at the Hilton, which was about two blocks from the APA hotel, and much cheaper. The only downside was the weather -- last year's infamous blizzard. Walking to the conference in my dress shoes was out of the question, so I had to wear snow boots and carry my shoes, then find a place to stash my boots and coat. I left them both on the overflowing coat rack, and got them back. A bit of a nuisance. It also meant I had nowhere to retreat to between interviews, so spent my time in the many lobbies. But again, an inconvenience, though not a serious one.
Hey, I stayed at the Hilton last year too! But you didn't have to walk through all that snow -- you could have crossed the street to the Sheraton and then walked the rest of the way indoors, through the Prudential Center.
Hey Jamie -- I think I figured that out my last day there. I must have been following you. :-)
I have a few rookie questions regarding APA first round interviews. This is my first year out, fresh PhD in hand. I got some invitations for interviews, but as I'm not from the USA my advisor and colleagues don't know how it works. 1. Could someone explain me in human terms what I have to do? How do I find where the schools that have contacted me are located? Do I have to fill out some special forms (as the APA booklet vaguely seems to suggest)? 2. Until when can departments contact you about a first round interview at APA? I'm still waiting to hear from about half the schools I applied to but I hear nothing (also nothing on the wiki, but as it's not entirely reliable this is perhaps not surprising)?
12:57 -- it's possible to get calls about APA interviews right through next week.When you get to the APA hotel, you have to go to APA registration and pay your conference fee (if you haven't already done so). They'll give you a packet of info, and (I think) a name badge. When you arrive at the hotel, there will be a sign somewhere in the lobby telling you where to go for this.Then you go to the Placement Office, which is another room in the hotel, where you are told what rooms to go to for your interviews.Then you just go to your interviews at the appointed times. And, if you want, you can go to the reception in the evening (aka the Smoker), and whatever other conference activities you care to partake in. Good luck, and congratulations on your interviews!
I applied for a job today. The application deadline was today. They said they'd be interviewing at the APA. I doubt they'll be calling anyone for a while yet.
3:37 -(Assuming that I know to which job you are referring...)The ad reads that department members "will be available to meet applicants...." at the APA. I didn't take that to mean that the department would (definately) be conducting interviews there.
I can't has interviews.I know, there's still time. But the steady parade of hits on my website has disappeared. The ominous feelings are mounting. This sucks. I knew it would. But it still does.
nothing feels worse than a parade of hits on your website and yet no interview. don't get my hopes up, snooping committee members!
Hits on your website can be really misleading. I applied for at least three jobs for which I know that search committee members looked at my website (i) on several occasions over several weeks, and (ii) for extended periods of time when they did visit. I know this because Google tells me that I have visitors from www.university_name.edu and provides the number of pages viewed, the length of the visit, etc.One of those jobs has already sent me a PFO. According to the wiki, the other two have scheduled interviews. In fact, the only interviews that I currently have are for jobs for which there is essentially no evidence that my website was viewed by SC members until after the interview was scheduled.My website continues to gather hits from several other schools for which I applied for jobs. But I'm beginning to think that info is utterly useless.
There is still time.Really.
As a pick-me-up for those who don't have interviews yet, I thought I would mention that I ended up in TT position without ever having an APA interview.My first year on the market, I was ABD not that close to finishing and just got a couple interviews for VAPs late in the spring and in the summer. The second year, I was still ABD, but with a defense date set. I still didn't get any APA interviews, but did get a couple TT phone interviews in the spring before finally landing a VAP position early in the summer. After one year (and another goose egg in the APA interview column), my VAP miraculously got turned into a TT.The moral of the story is that not getting APA interviews doesn't mean your career is doomed.
To those who are lamenting their perceived bad fate:I'm getting a little long in the tooth, so, although I'm on the market this year after taking a few years off, I'm not sure that this applies to me anymore. But, to those who are a bit fresher, you shouldn't abandon hope. In the past, I had some success landing interviews despite only having one interview - ever - at the Eastern APA. For whatever reasons, all of my other first- round interviews were via phone or at the Central APA. And, as far as I could tell, they were for jobs that didn't suck.
7:05 wrote, "The moral of the story is that not getting APA interviews doesn't mean your career is doomed."True, but I take it that those lamenting their lack of interviews have neither APA nor alternative interviews (e.g., phone or Skype). There are rare exceptions, but typically you need some kind of interview before landing a TT job. (By the way, there is no reason to think that an Eastern APA interview is more valuable/prestigious than a phone or Skype interview, right? Getting a first-round interview is great, regardless of the format.)
anon 7:53 - There is no extra prestige to an APA interview. Departments don't interview there for one of three reasons: 1) faculty don't want to go (this is the case at my school, and I share the sentiment), 2) faculty think that first-round interviews are uninformative, or 3) the school doesn't have enough money. #3 might be a cause for concern, but might not me. Obviously all the Leiterrific departments have enough money, but so do some really crappy schools. So prestige has nothing to do with it. (Though if you are really perverse, you might hope to go to the APA just to experience the hell that everyone else is experiencing.)
On the topic of Skype/phone vs APA interviews:It seems to me that more departments are going with Skype or phone interviews this year. I've had two already, and one scheduled for after the APA. I suspect that this has a lot to do with the intense discussion of the relative merits of Skype vs. APA interviews last year after the Boston blizzard calamity that threw a wrench in everyone's plans.I'm on board with what I took to be the general sentiment of that discussion, which is that it would be good if departments moved away from APA interviewing and embraced Skype.So, it would seem to be a good thing that some departments appear to be doing that. However, given that ALL departments haven't gotten on board, the troubling result is that I still have to plan on going to the APA, but there is an even greater chance that I won't get any interviews there. That annoys me.I wonder, have others noticed more Skype/phone/non-APA interviews this year than in the past?
Of three fly-outs in my job market days, not one of them came after an APA interview. Which is to say that I came up empty-handed from the APA interviews I did have, but got a TT job I love anyway.Do not despair.
I have joined the job circus several times over the years. My first ever campus interview came from a school that skipped first-round interviewing entirely and cut right to the chase. I also have been invited for APA interviews as late as December 21. I have heard of other people getting them as late as the 23rd. In past years I usually got my first request just about now. It is much too early to be concerned.
@8:45I agree with you that it seems like many departments are opting out, so to speak, of the APA process. The two interviews I've had so far have been over phone or skype and infinitely cheaper than they otherwise would have been.
Second what Zombie said. I am now tenured and had 2 years on the market. I was lucky to have loads of APA interviews each year. The first year I took was an awesome 1-year position that was offered to me in April just after I had officially failed to land the jobs from all APA interviews. The second year I accepted a TT job from a phone interview in March after I had again failed to land a job from any of my APA interviews. I was so happy to get a job.The job market is an on-going process. I had one friend get a job 3 days before the start date in August. He had utterly given up hope.One other thing, it is one thing to get a job and it is another thing to succeed in your job. Getting tenure can be a horrible, difficult process and many, many people don't make it. The job market is good practice for this.
Can calls or emails for interview come on a weekend? Mine have only come during the week. Anyone gotten them on a weekend? SC members - ever notify anyone on a weekend?I'm still laughing over the guy in the fuckups thread who farted in a suite interview.
I got a call last saturday.
Yes you can get a call from SC's on the weekend. I received a phonecall at 1am in my hotelroom at the APA asking for an interview that morning.
6:32. Are you shittin me?
Okay y'all ... I'm not in the know, but people that are in the know apparently know about this "Philosophers Anonymous Annual Reception" thingy -- you know, from that other blog which has posts from cranky people. Figuring out what it is and where it is seems to require some sort of Mason-like ability to detect secret symbols placed at the APA. I'm not sure I want to go, but I sure as hell want to be able to go to a secret reception that people in the know know about.I suggest we have our own secret reception ... I am right in assuming that there isn't one already right ... right?
Do the smokers for this year fall on the 27th/28th or on the 28th/29th?Given how many more departments are skipping the APA, I bet the ballroom will look even more depressing.
I received a phonecall at 1am in my hotelroom at the APA asking for an interview that morning.Did you take the interview? If so, did the SC make an effort to explain the unusual circumstances surrounding its invitation? I can imagine some legitimate, albeit very unusual, reasons for issuing such a last minute invitation. I can also imagine some sadistic ones.
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