Friday, June 28, 2013

APA and PhilJobs Will Jointly Produce the JFP

Holy shit. According to the email I just got, the APA and the PhilPapers people are merging the JFP with PhilJobs. And it will be free to job seekers, it says. Free! I love free. Holy shit.

They also say they'll use the PhilJobs software, which is better than the new JFP website from last year. So that's good, too.

I think this is a good move. I mean, we'll see what it looks like when it rolls out in a few weeks (or whatever--the timeline is pretty vague). But I gotta say, I've been pretty impressed with the APA lately.

--Mr. Zero

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

I have a worry. philjobs is such a great resource in good part because it picks up on many or most of the jobs out there. As I understand it, the merger with jfp will mean that jobs will now show up in philjobs only if a hiring institution buys an ad there, as was the case with jfp. As a result the range of positions that can be found through philjobs may well be narrowed down quite a bit. Or am I missing something?

Anonymous said...

I'm hopeful. But I can imagine a scenario where this leaves both philjobs and the APA worse off: the JFP ends up not being as good as the old philjobs database, and jobseekers drop their APA membership because they no longer need it for the JFP-only job listings.

zombie said...

This would seem to be related to the email from PhilPapers I got last week. Bourget is moving to Western Ontario, and PP has a need for funding:

"As a result, we have been examining various funding mechanisms for PhilPapers and related projects. We have set up a nonprofit foundation, the PhilPapers Foundation (based in Canada, and co-directed by David Bourget and David Chalmers) to serve as a locus of funding for the projects. At the present time we are pursuing two primary mechanisms for funding (neither of which will involve charging end users): one associated with PhilPapers, and one with PhilJobs. We will make announcements about these funding mechanisms in the coming weeks."

It would be a shame if the new jobs site ended up being diminished by its association with APA. OTOH, it would be great if PhilJobs' awesomeness rubbed off on APA. Some things PJ had going for it were smart, digi-savvy people and responsiveness to the needs of jobseekers, both characteristics in short supply at APA. But there's hope.

Anonymous said...

In Bourget I trust.

Anonymous said...

A rumor has it that the APA is going to merge with Apple and we're all going to get iPhones.

Anonymous said...

It's not exactly a merger. Apple will be a wholly owned subsidiary of the APA.

Mr. Zero said...

These seem like legitimate concerns, I guess, but here's how I think of it. First, it's important that the APA play a substantial role in the job market, including the advertising of jobs. As our national organization, they represent the profession as a whole in a way that PhilJobs.org cannot, which puts them in a position to set and enforce rules that have the weight of the profession behind them. Like prohibitions on bedroom interviews and on discriminatory hiring practices.

But the PhilJobs software is much better than any incarnation of the JFP. So it makes me happy that the JFP will use the PhilJobs software now.

Plus, I don't think I ever applied for a job that I found only on PhilJobs. I have applied for a number of jobs that I found on non-JFP sources before they showed up on the JFP, and I may have applied for a handful of jobs that never showed up on the JFP at all--but not many. Probably under 5.

However, I don't generally apply for jobs at community colleges, and it seems like there are a lot of CC jobs on PhilJobs, and it seems like those might go away when it merges with the JFP. And I agree that this would be bad.

Lastly, though, there's the issue of a sustainable business plan/funding source that comes up in Zombie's comment. The idea of a user-friendly, well-designed and well-organized online job-advertisement database that has all the jobs and is free for everyone is not realistic. If joining forces with the APA and charging fees to the advertisers--though not to the job-seekers--allows them to keep doing roughly what they've been doing, that seems to me like a positive development. Even if they don't end up carrying as many ads as they used to. If they didn't have the option of keeping doing what they had been doing indefinitely, that is.

Anonymous said...

While it is true that most (if not all) jobs in the U.S. and Canada do get posted with the APA, it is worth mentioning that lots of positions overseas (doctoral fellowships, post-docs, professorships) never make it into the JFP and are otherwise not well publicized. This year, I was a finalist for one post-doc and two professorships that weren't listed in the JFP.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, this year there were a lot of jobs in the UK and very few of them were advertised in the JFP. Part of the glory of PhilJobs was that it united all these other sources of information into a digest. And that will no longer exist. And that makes me sad.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of postdocs, I just heard today about Columbia's Mellon Fellowship: You have to apply online AND send in hard copies in an envelope, in DUPLICATE; pay them $30 to process your application; send your own envelope if you want them to acknowledge getting your hard copies; and you can't submit your recommendation letters through Interfolio, no, you have to bother your letter-writers personally, about this one very special fellowship application. (Which you can't save and edit online -- you have to submit it all in one shot.)

Seriously?