Thursday, December 18, 2014

The OLD permanent thread for info or questions about specific jobs (12/18/14)

A lot of people in the comments seem interested in having space to discuss or request information about specific jobs. If providing information and if possible, please provide the source of your information.

Here's a permanent thread for this. Perhaps we can use the other open threads for people to trade horror or success or weird stories, any hints that they might think are helpful, strategies for dealing with stress of the job market, etc.

In the future, after this isn't at the top of the page, you can find this thread in the sidebar. Here's a picture, with the place to find this thread in the future.



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Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard from any of these schools?:

San Jose State
CSU Bakersfield
Syracuse
UIUC
UCSD (ethics/soc pol)
Colorado State
Appalachian State
LSE

Thanks!

Anonymous said...

I received an email a few days ago from Appalachian State indicating that review is underway and that a shortlist will be put together "in the coming weeks."

Anonymous said...

Anyone hear from Wisconsin-Stevens Point, Hampshire, or Benedictine?

Anonymous said...

I'm also curious about UMissouri KC and UCSB. Although UCSB extended their deadline two days after I submitted my app, which was a wee bit disheartening.

Anonymous said...

UIUC has scheduled on-campus interviews.

Anonymous said...

UIUC - for both the M&E position and the value theory position?

Anonymous said...

Anyone heard from Lingnan University?

Anonymous said...

UIUC -- the m&e position; not sure about the value theory position.

Lingnan -- no decisions have been made yet.

Anonymous said...

Anyone heard from Syracuse, MIT, Berkeley, or Arizona?

Jaded, Ph.D. said...

If possible, please provide the source of your information.

Thanks!

Anonymous said...

I have it through the grapevine that MIT has invited fly outs.

Anonymous said...

Anybody have anything on UT El Paso, Alaska, Victoria, or Central Florida?

I've gotten no PFO's and no interviews.

Anonymous said...

anyone know about these?

MIT
Pitt
Notre Dame
UCSB
San Jose State
UC-Irvine
UC-Berkeley
Arizona

Anonymous said...

anon 12:49 -- I applied to Berkeley, MIT, & Arizona. I've heard nothing either way.

Anonymous said...

According to an inside source, Notre Dame is notifying short list candidates for first round interviews on Friday.

Anonymous said...

anon 2:02 -- i applied to UTEP, Alaska, Central Florida, & Victoria, no news either way (no pfs, no interviews). They're probably still working it out.

Anonymous said...

What about any of the political postdocs--Brown PTP/Princeton Human Values/Arizona PPEL . . . anyone have any info on these?

Anonymous said...

Anyone heard from Ohio State or Arizona State?

Anonymous said...

the wiki is now saying pitt has scheduled first-rounds for the open area *lectureship* -- pitt also advertised for an open area TT job, which I don't see on the wiki anywhere. Anyone know whether it's really the lectureship that's had interviews scheduled, or is it really the TT job?

Anonymous said...

Pittsburgh scheduled fly-outs for the TT.

Anonymous said...

Any word on Wisconsin-Eau Claire, Wellesley, or the Cornell Early Modern Mellon Post-Doc?

Anonymous said...

What about the position at Emory's Oxford College? It wasn't up on the wiki at all til very recently and I haven't heard anything. I have some suspicions that there might be an inside candidate so I'm worrying they might pull a Wooster.

Anonymous said...

Pittsburgh also has a TT line in History of Modern. Anyone know anything about that? Are they doing flyouts for the open and modern positions together?

zombie said...

Just got this email from Pitt:

"Thank you for your application for our open-rank tenure-stream
positions. I am writing to notify you of a few facts relating to our
search.

The Department will not be conducting interviews at the APA’s Eastern
Division Meeting later this month in Philadelphia. We plan, however, to
interview a number of junior candidates by video conference in January.
Final decisions about which candidates to interview will be made during
that month. Our review of senior applicants is proceeding on a more
extended schedule, which may run into the late winter or spring. We
will make every effort, however, to notify all candidates of the
disposition of their application as soon as we can.

Thank you once again for giving us the opportunity to consider your
credentials."

zombie said...

I got two interview requests yesterday, so there is definitely an "extended" timeline in the works this year.

The good news is, there's still hope!

The bad news is, there's still hope. And a drawn-out process of crushed hopes.

Anonymous said...

"I got two interview requests yesterday, so there is definitely an "extended" timeline in the works this year."

Don't forget to update the wiki!

Anonymous said...

So Pitt's email was straight-up lying?

Anonymous said...

@5:04 I'm also still waiting on word from Wellesley and Eau Claire (Didn't apply at Cornell). Been asking other early modern friends, and as far as I know no one has heard anything.

Anonymous said...

I got that Pitt email too. Did anyone who applied *not* get it?

Anonymous said...

Cabrini is the fourth place this year I've seen schedule first-round interviews before the stated deadline.

Anonymous said...

Can any one verify that Cabrini College really did schedule first round interviews like the wiki says? According the phil jobs posting the deadline isn't until Jan 15th.

Anonymous said...

How did Cabrini contact candidates about first-round interviews?

Anonymous said...

Can someone give some explanation for why Cabrini would schedule first round interviews almost a month before the deadline? Is this code for there being an inside hire?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard from Indiana U-Pennsylavania, Metropolitan State, Lynchburg or Georgia Tech?

Anonymous said...


"Has anyone heard from Indiana U-Pennsylavania, Metropolitan State, Lynchburg or Georgia Tech?"

No word from Indian U of Penn, Metro State, or Lynchburg. Didn't apply to Georgia Tech.

Anonymous said...

Colorado State has scheduled first-rounds (in January). (first-hand knowledge)

Anonymous said...

Did Yale send out different rejection letters, depending on how much they do not want you? I got this rejection from Yale today:

"The search committee has
reviewed your application with interest. While your credentials and
experience represent significant accomplishments, we have decided not to
pursue your candidacy further at this time."

It sounds better than a PFO, and I hope they did not send this to everyone: For Yale to suggest that there is hope for me when there is not would just be cruel.

Anonymous said...

PFO from NYU Bersoff Faculty Fellow search just landed in my inbox.

Anonymous said...

PFO from Hobart & William Smith. 269 candidates.

Anonymous said...

@12:46 I got exactly the same message, which also made me feel special.

Anonymous said...

Same email from Pitt. Not sure what to make of it.

So.. I've been wondering about rankings of universities/colleges for the longest time. I just assumed "regionally ranked" schools are worse than "nationally ranked," and so just didn't bother applying to anything below 50th (or maybe 20th?) "regionally ranked." Or have I been a total idiot in thinking rankings matter?

Anonymous said...

@116, 1246:
I got the same message too. I'm sure they sent it to everyone,

Anonymous said...

I received the same email today.

zombie said...

"The search committee has reviewed your application with [very little] interest. While your credentials and experience represent significant accomplishments [for someone of your limited abilities and intellect], we have decided not to pursue your candidacy further at this time [when pigs are unable to fly]."

That would be cruel. Yale's letter was nice, as PFOs go.

Anonymous said...

Yale's PFO has gotta be bullshit. I got it too, and I'm not special—a dime a dozen, just like most of us.

Anonymous said...

So I just got a call with my first interview request (yeah!), and they gave me a choice between an APA interview and a Skype interview. At the time I just thought that it was really thoughtful of them to give me the choice and chose Skype to save the X hundreds of dollars it would cost me to fly to Philadelphia. But now I think I've made an awful mistake (1) because it make it seem like I'm not very serious about the position and (2) because I'll be at a competitive disadvantage against anyone interviewing in person. Thoughts? :/

Anonymous said...

My pot dispensary seriously owes some royalties to all of the search committees that find my work of the last ten years to be worthless. I guess I should find myself a good therapist, huh?

zombie said...

2:06 -- I had two schools make me such an offer last year. I chose Skype in both cases, and subsequently got campus interviews in both cases.

I really don't think there is a disadvantage. You can see the post here for the rest of my thoughts on the matter. (Hey! I have thoughts!)

http://philosophysmoker.blogspot.com/2014/08/on-supposed-drawbacks-of-skype.html

Anonymous said...

Anyone hear anything today from Notre Dame, as was prophesied?

Anonymous said...

PFO from Notre Dame de Namur.

Anonymous said...

Any word from Arizona? Friend of a friend who knows a guy? Anything?

Anonymous said...

Arizona held one on-campus visit before the break and will hold more after the break.

Anonymous said...

Still nothing from Metro state, huh? Also, its probably too soon, but anything from UMI kansas city or Central College?

Anonymous said...

The Central College SC started reviewing applications on the 12th, no? Give them time.

Anonymous said...

Any word on Toronto?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard anything about the University of Washington lectureship position?

Anonymous said...

I second the request for info about the Toronto Mind job. Would also like to know about Texas El Paso, and Anchorage...

Anonymous said...

UMass, Amherst--any info?

Anonymous said...

In about 4 days I've been passed over for nearly half the jobs I applied for. Happy Hanukkah to me!! :(

Anonymous said...

In case people are still wondering, Notre Dame did in fact contact people for interviews on Friday.

Anonymous said...

PFO this morning from Illinois for the Ethics position.

Anonymous said...

At this point, is it safe to cancel one's APA hotel reservation and flights if one hasn't received any interview requests?

Anonymous said...

Anybody heard anything about Lingnan, GA Tech, LSE, Washington-Bothell, SJSU or El Paso? Thanks a bunch.

Anonymous said...

this job market season has been brutal!! is it just me, or does it seem to be worse (more competitive, deeper and stronger applicant pool) than last year? be interested in hearing from those on the hiring side who are reviewing the applications.

Anonymous said...

So has or has not Pittsburgh scheduled first round interviews for their ethics search?

zombie said...

9:27 -- you can usually wait until the last day to cancel hotel reservations, so why jump the gun?

Likewise, depending on the specifics of your flight reservation, I'd wait another day. I have gotten interview requests as late as 12/22.

Anonymous said...

At the Marriott in Philadelphia, you must cancel 72 hours to avoid a fee.

The official policy: You must cancel at least 72 hours prior to arrival to avoid a fee equal to one nights room and tax.

Anonymous said...

No, you're not wrong, 12:23PM. Absolutely brutal this year. There are virtually no jobs for some AOSs (phil. of math), and for those AOSs that have a number of openings (value theory), there are hundreds of applicants even for mid-tier jobs.

Anonymous said...

PFO UCSB. It's only my third one out of about 40 jobs. Haven't heard anything else...

Anonymous said...

@12:38 PM, yes, Pitt has scheduled first-rounds for its TT job.

Anonymous said...

yes, the market seems especially competitive this year. i'm on the market with my best application package ever in terms of publications, teaching experience, and conference presentations--but i've only had a single interview so far. i fear that this is my last year before i start giving versatile phd and other sites a serious read. i can no longer jump from managing multiple adjuncting gigs one year to a visiting position the next and then back again.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, this is easily my best dossier, and I've got exactly zero TT interviews (I had several last year). I will be leaving the discipline after this year - and, honestly, I think I'm finally to the point that I'm not going to regret it, mostly because I'd rather have a hydrochloric acid enema than deal with the philosophy job market again. Good luck to the rest of you, though.

Anonymous said...

For the person asking about Emory's Oxford College: I know someone on the search committee, and their plan is to do skype interviews in January. They haven't contacted anyone yet.

Anonymous said...

Anyone know anything about UMass Lowell?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard from Southern Alabama? It is one of the few AOS Ancient positions. Terrible year for Ancient

Anonymous said...

I know that South Alabama flew out one candidate. They may be flying out more candidates in January.

Anonymous said...

Anyone get the sense that Cabrini College is going to be an inside hire?

Anonymous said...

I got a first round interview request from Cabrini today, for the interview to be at the APA. Considering it is my only non-skype interview, I will be going to the APA just for this. Did they also schedule some first round interviews back on the 18th? This is all very odd.

Anonymous said...

Cabrini is doing interviews at the APA. They notified some candidates today.

Anonymous said...

I didn't apply to Cabrini--didn't even fit the job--but if they're notifying people of APA interviews on the 23rd, then fuck them.

Anonymous said...

"I didn't apply to Cabrini--didn't even fit the job--but if they're notifying people of APA interviews on the 23rd, then fuck them."

I agree--and again, three weeks before their stated deadline in the JFP ad! Talk about dysfunction!

Anonymous said...

Anyone heard anything about Ball State or Notre Dame De Namur flyouts?

Anonymous said...

i have it from friend of friend that toronto has scheduled (at least some) fly-outs

Anonymous said...

Anyone heard about San Diego State fly outs?

And Cabrini is definitely doing things wrong. But if you go look, they only have two full time faculty members. One who was hired in the 60s, the other was hired in 1971. I am just guessing they don't know how the current market works. Which is really annoying for the people on the market.

Anonymous said...

Dear 6:17,
I got that same weird email. After a brief reply asking for more information I get the distinct impression that the interviews don't really mean much of anything. I'm also hazarding a guess that a lot of people got them. I can't quite decide what's going on here, but I don't think the "interview" itself merits going to the APA. At least that's the decision I've reached in my own case.

Anonymous said...

Christmas Eve PFO from Massachusetts Lowell. Classy!

Anonymous said...

PFO from UMass Lowell this morning.

Anonymous said...

i have a friend who is still waiting to hear from Notre Dame de Namur about fly-outs. so no news, as far as i know.

Anonymous said...

PFO from UMass-Lowell.

Anonymous said...

No PFO from UMass-Lowell yet for me. A Christmas miracle!

zombie said...

A little Xmas Eve present:

Thank you for your recent application for the position of Assistant Professor - Philosophy at the University of Massachusetts Lowell. We have received applications from other candidates who more closely suit our strategic needs at this time. Therefore, we have determined that we will not be pursuing your candidacy further. We appreciate your interest in considering the University of Massachusetts Lowell as an employer of choice. We wish you the best in your job search, and encourage you to visit our web site to explore other opportunities. New opportunities are posted frequently at: http://jobs.uml.edu.

Regards,

Human Resources and Equal Opportunity & Outreach Department
University of Massachusetts Lowell

"New opportunities are posted frequently." LOL.

Anonymous said...

Dear 8:18,

Can you give me more reasons you think the interview is not worth it?
Still trying to figure out what to do.

Anonymous said...

for those asking about anchorage, central florida, and UTEP -- i applied to all 3 and haven't heard anything either way (fwiw).

Anonymous said...

Had a first-round with San Diego State about a week and a half ago. Have not heard about fly-outs.

Anonymous said...

anyone hear anything from uc irvine or arizona state?

Derek Bowman said...

Dear U Mass, Lowell: Thanks for doing better than some schools by sending out rejection letters in a timely fashion. But if you don't manage to get them out before Christmas Eve, why not wait until you come back in January?

Anonymous said...

My sense with Cabrini is that either:

(i) They are really out of touch with today's market and doing it the old way: assuming everyone goes to the Eastern APA and invited candidates can just sign up.

(ii) They waited until a few days in the APA in order to either see who is really interested in the position or to try to keep the number of interviews low.

(iii) They have an inside candidate (perhaps the lecturer whose term was up last year, but who is still listed on the department site), and they are doing APA interviews to follow their school's hiring practices. The interviews mean nothing, which explains the bizarre nature of the email and the timing.

Or some combination of (i), (ii), and (iii).

Anonymous said...

"Thanks for doing better than some schools by sending out rejection letters in a timely fashion. But if you don't manage to get them out before Christmas Eve, why not wait until you come back in January?"

So to be clear, PFOs should come out asap, unless it's Dec. 24th, in which case they can come out anytime in the next month?

Anonymous said...

What are some red flags to look for if you suspect that interviews for a particular job are mere formalities, aka, the department already has an inside candidate who is essentially guaranteed the job?

Anonymous said...

6:01: given the heavily bureaucratic ways things go these days, I think in many instances the fact that an internal candidate is in the running is hard for outsiders to discern. OTOH those very procedures sometimes guarantee that a SC may well see someone who obviously is better than an internal candidate. I've been on both sides of this, chairing a committee where I had the tough duty of telling such a candidate--and friend--that he did not in fact get the job because he was beaten out by another external candidate. In my own case, after I was tenured, I discovered from colleagues that I was brought in as "window-dressing" and took the job away from someone presumed to have the job in hand.

And if you want irony to mess up your mind about all this, in the first case we lost the person to poaching after just one year, reopened the TT, and our original internal candidate beat out the competition. He's now not just a valued tenured colleague, but, in a spirit of real forgiveness, has become a very close friend. I don't know if I could have been so generous!

Anonymous said...

6:01: There are no such signs, nor are there any guarantees. This fear of the "inside candidate" is idiotic. Even if the department would like to - and even plans to - hire someone already on campus, there are no guarantees. The market allows the department to shop around for something better. Trust me, if they are going to devote all the time necessary to run a search, they are going to consider all their finalists. It's far too much time to waste on a done deal.

(And yes, sometimes the "inside candidate" gets the job. And no, doing so is not proof that the search was a sham.)

zombie said...

6:01 -- I don't know that inside candidates are ever really guaranteed to get the job. Not that I think there is anything wrong with someone being promoted from within after paying their dues on the contract track. Many VAPs/adjuncts can only hope they get so lucky.

It's a shame, however, that a dept that actually wants to promote someone to the TT is obliged to go through with a search (and that the inside candidate has to apply, and jump through the usual hoops, and risks actually losing his/her job at the end. And external applicants have to apply without knowing that there's an insider).

The only red flags would be a very specific ad that seems to have been written with a specific person in mind -- and that person already works for the department in a non-TT position. (Specific AOS/AOC and teaching experience.) But the fact that someone is already doing that job also just indicates that it reflects the needs of the dept - so it is not proof that there is an inside candidate.

Anonymous said...

applied for my very last TT jobs today (LIU - Brooklyn and Iona). I'd thought I was done weeks ago, but then Iona popped up.

Those on the market in the past, do additional TT jobs ever post in the spring? If they do, are they every desirable ones or are they always less desirable ones (bad location, 4/4 or greater teaching)?

Anonymous said...

what's the deal with the Pitt open position? Are they bringing some on-campuses now but open to more later (why did they send that email saying they're not going to make decision til January if going by the wiki, they've already scheduled interviews?)

Anonymous said...

someone already mentioned MIT's done interviews, right? any reason they're not flipped on the wiki?

Anonymous said...

Question re: Exeter, Oxford, Post-Doc

Duties include "The ability to undertake pastoral responsibilities."

*This means ...religious leadership?

*This indicates...fulfilled by a male?

http://www.exeter.ox.ac.uk/michael-cohen-fellowship-philosophy-fixed-term

Anonymous said...

@6:19

It means you have to take on advisory roles to undergraduate students.

zombie said...

4:36 -- yes, there are new jobs posted in the spring. Last year, I recall a few US-based TT positions posted fairly late in the spring.
The international jobs and fixed term jobs also show up in the spring.

Did a quick search of philjobs between 1/2014 and 7/2014 and came up with about 40 TT positions, mostly overseas.

Anonymous said...

just got a PFO from wisconsin for their mellon post-doc (not philosophy-specific, open to humanities generally): "Please know that this was an extraordinarily competitive year--we received over 500 applications, which is far more than in any previous year."

so is it all humanities that are much more competitive this year? and if so, why?

zombie said...

2:56 -- the same glut of unemployed PhDs exists throughout the Humanities.

Anonymous said...

Arizona State told me I was on their "long list" on November 20, but I haven't heard anything since. Did any of the other long-listers hear back?

Anonymous said...

"so is it all humanities that are much more competitive this year? and if so, why?"

What rock have you been living under, and do you have room for a lodger?

zombie said...

My guess is that the post docs are getting hundreds of applications because they are now viewed as "safety jobs." And rightly so.

Moti Gorin said...

I don't know how many applications we got so far this year, but I do know that in previous years we have received fewer applications than I would have expected given the number of philosophers on the market. It's a fantastic fellowship.

http://philjobs.org/job/show/3309

Anonymous said...

@5:29

Was that long list for the Az State job in the philosophy department or the sustainability job? I was never told anything about a list but (for the phil dept job) they asked for my writing sample mid-Dec and then contacted my letter writers about a week ago

Anonymous said...

@5:29

Which Az State job did you hear back about re: the long list? I never heard anything about a list, but (for the phil dept job) they requested my writing sample mid-Dec and then contacted my letter writers about a week ago.

Anonymous said...

Washington-Bothell (STS position) has completed skype interviews, not sure if they've scheduled on-campus interviews.

Washington (Seattle's lecturer position) hasn't made any decisions yet.

Anonymous said...

ha, 7:45, I guess I deserve that. what I meant though was whether *this year* in particular has been much worse than the last two or three years, as Wisconsin's PFO sort of suggested. I get that there are no jobs and too many phds all around.

Anonymous said...

second the request for info about uc-irvine, u central florida, anchorage, and/or utep (second-hand rumors welcome).

Anonymous said...

"ha, 7:45, I guess I deserve that. what I meant though was whether *this year* in particular has been much worse than the last two or three years, as Wisconsin's PFO sort of suggested. I get that there are no jobs and too many phds all around."

You appear to already have the answer you seek.

In related news, next year will be even worse. And the forecast for the following year doesn't look any better.

-7:45

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what's up with the Berkeley job? According to the wiki, they scheduled fly-outs on Saturday. The weird part is that the wiki indicates it's a "(metaphysics)" job, though the ad said open (with a list of preferred areas in which metaphysics was one of several). A few interpretations possible here:

1. There is somehow more than one Berkeley job: a Metaphysics job that has started interviews and an Open job that has not.

2. The department decided to change its Open job into a Metaphysics job and chose to communicate this via the wiki rather than some more reasonable means.

3. Whomever updated the wiki decided to call the Berkeley job a Metaphysics job, perhaps because this person is a metaphysician - but in fact it is still an Open search.

My guess is option 3. But can someone with inside knowledge settle the matter?

Anonymous said...

Anyone heard from Memorial (Newfoundland) or Nottingham?

Anonymous said...

The Berkeley job was listed on the wiki officially, by Berkeley people. So they listed it as such. But I think it was not 'open' on philjobs, they just listed a bunch of areas, beginning with metaphysics. So, either they listed it like that, because that's actually what they really wanted, or it was just a feature of the listing options on phylo vs. philjobs. We may never know ...

Anonymous said...

Did the Cabrini interview. It was just a chat with the chair, which was not first round, that will still happen. Because what this process needs is one more interview.

Anonymous said...

re:5:28

Wow, all that money you're expected to lay out and not even a real interview?

Anonymous said...

Not that I'm super hopeful, but what is going on with those USC jobs? Also, I'm confused about Pitt--how many positions were there? Did they fill them all?

zombie said...

Awesome, 5:28. So, this was like, what, a pre-screening test of your commitment to the job? Which could have been handled by phone at zero cost to you?

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure I understand why anyone would pay to travel to the APA just to do an unofficial pre-interview with Cabrini. Their deadline for applications hasn't even passed yet, so the idea that this would even be their long list seems ludicrous.

Anonymous said...

Here is the email, it was not at all clear it was a weird pre-interview interview: "I will be attending the APA meeting in Philadelphia and holding preliminary interviews with candidates for the Assistant Professorship at Cabrini College. If you continue to be interested in the position for which you applied, please sign up for one of the interview times at the placement desk. I look forward to meeting you.

Anonymous said...

In fairness, Cabrini didn't make it clear that they weren't actually conducting first rounds at the APA.

Anonymous said...

It sounds like Cabrini interviewed a shit-ton of people (or the handful of people who got interviewed there are also dedicated PhilosophySmokers).

If I were at Cabrini, I'd be a bit embarrassed about causing a PR mess with this.

On second thought... if I were there, I'd be over 65, a lifer, and probably wouldn't give a shit.

Anonymous said...

The people who are being flown out to Berkeley are not (only) metaphysics people. In fact, I believe only one is.

Anonymous said...

@8:48 and 9:07

It was the Arizona sustainability job.

zombie said...

"holding preliminary interviews with candidates for the Assistant Professorship at Cabrini College."

That is awfully vague. "Preliminary interviews" could mean "first-round" or it could mean "preliminary to first-round." Given the quirky way Cabrini seems to be going about this search, who could know what they really meant?

But since NOBODY ELSE does preliminary to first-round interviews, the interpretation that they were first-rounds would be reasonable.

Anonymous said...

Of course the Cabrini interviews are "first round" interviews. This is the first round of interviews. They may be poorly-scheduled, low-stakes interviews, but they are still interviews.

Anonymous said...

to 5:01: "Of course the Cabrini interviews are "first round" interviews. This is the first round of interviews. They may be poorly-scheduled, low-stakes interviews, but they are still interviews."

the relevant question is whether cabrini's interviews were a necessary step for further consideration. if they weren't -- if applicants not at the apa will also be considered for the next round of interviews -- cabrini's interviews weren't first-round interviews in the usual sense. and if they weren't first-round interviews in that sense, some people wasted a lot of time and money for a meet-and-greet. I can only hope that those people's efforts are repaid with another interview.

Anonymous said...

"I can only hope that those people's efforts are repaid with another interview."

I hope so too, if they performed well. Those that flubbed the interview shouldn't be invited back for another. That's how interviews work.

Anonymous said...

Maybe from here on out, one should be hesitant to APA interview with schools near that year's APA site. Cabrini, a Philly-area school, interviewed people this year. Last year, Towson did APA interviews. Towson was no where near as incompetent as Cabrini, but I still found them somewhat unprofessional at times. A possible explanation is that such departments think "hey, the APA is just down the road, let's have interviews," but without thinking of the fact that most everyone else will be traveling to the APA at great expense.

Anonymous said...

6:50 has a great idea.

So take notes. Next year, don't bother interviewing with American, George Washington, Georgetown, or Howard.

Remember, those closer a school is to the conference site, the less professional it is.

You've been warned!

Anonymous said...

Any word on Wisconsin-Eau Claire?

Anonymous said...

Hi all--Unrelated question here:

For purposes of the TT job hunt, how are journal articles regarded relative to chapters in books?

I've got a paper that I have an opportunity to publish in a (very good) book, but I'm also wondering whether that would make me miss out on a top journal pub instead. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Anyone heard anything about UC-Irvine?

Anonymous said...

5:28, did the Cabrini interviewer say that it was not a first round interview?

i interviewed with them. definitely thought that it was casual. didn't ask about the search process though...

Anonymous said...

Question for those with experience getting on campus interviews? When do schools typically contact candidates for these following the first round interview? Before or after Jan 1?

Anonymous said...

@ 11:59 AM or anyone else who might know:

How many is Berkeley bringing to campus?

Anonymous said...

8:31am:

speaking only for myself (having served on two SCs), I tend to disregard book chapters when measured against peer-reviewed papers in good journals. Mostly because I know that in most cases, publishing a book chapter reflects no more than how well-connected the author or how powerful his advisors (or friends, or relatives) are in the profession.

This goes mostly for the initial stages of narrowing down candidates. When I focus attention on the final 20 (or so), I read the actual work and then the quality is all that matters.

Anonymous said...

Do search committees ever tell candidates they are getting the campus flyouts in response to the thank-you emails sent by candidates right after the first round interviews? Or do the campus usually invites come later?

Anonymous said...

When do schools typically contact candidates for these following the first round interview? Before or after Jan 1?

I don't think there is a typical scenario. Most departments need administrative approval. So even after decisions have been made, they may not contact candidates until after the paperwork has been signed. Moreover, many search committees can't meet until after the holidays.

Just as important, the greater prevalence of Skype interviews is really changing the timetable. In the past I would have been inclined to say: you'll definitely hear after January 1 in most cases. Now, it's just a guessing game.

One final note. It's not uncommon for a SC to give candidates a rough sense of their timetable and what to expect at the end of the first-round interviews. In my view, it's also perfectly fine for a candidate to ask at the end of her interview when she might expect to hear further news. But perhaps not everyone feels similarly.

Anonymous said...

For purposes of the TT job hunt, how are journal articles regarded relative to chapters in books?

I've got a paper that I have an opportunity to publish in a (very good) book, but I'm also wondering whether that would make me miss out on a top journal pub instead.


I tend to agree with 11:30 that a peer-reviewed paper counts much more strongly than a book chapter.

That said, however, if you have an opportunity to publish the paper in a very good collection, there are some good reasons to go that route: (1) A bird in the hand ... yada yada ... And keep in mind that some fantastic papers have a very hard time finding their way into good journals. (Oh the stories I've heard.) (2) Your paper is probably more likely to get read as a part of a strong collection of papers. That'll pay off in the long run.

zombie said...

Some books are peer reviewed. Those articles should count about the same as journal articles, but it is hard to know which books are peer reivewed and which are not unless you indicate it on your CV.

A peer reviewed article in a journal would count for more than a book chapter, generally speaking.

zombie said...

Campus visits: since many schools are now forgoing APA interviews, they are also scheduling fly-outs as it suits them.

Some are already scheduling fly-outs. Some have not yet had first round interviews.

Typically, fly-outs get scheduled within a few weeks after first-rounds, because typically, fly-outs happen in January and February.

One of the disadvantages of the new non-system is that the job search schedules are no longer so synchronized. That makes it harder to decide about accepting an offer, if one still has other interviews in the future. (If one is confident enough to think that multiple offers might happen.)

Anonymous said...

Did UMBC really schedule fly-outs today? By phone or email?

Anonymous said...

Article > book chapter.

That said...

Good book chapter > mediocre article.
Good book chapter in good book > mediocre article in mediocre journal.

If you're concerned about how it plays on the CV, send it to a top journal If you don't think you can get it published in a top journal, then put it in a book. If you're productive enough that you are working on something else to send to a top journal, then maybe put this in the book and move on to the next project. (Depends if this is a Big Deal, or some small side project for you.)

While it's good to get work out there, getting mediocre work out there doesn't help all that much. And once it's out there, you're done revising it. You may address the same topic later, but that paper exists.

This is something many people don't get about the job market. It's not about volume; it's about quality. Programs are more interested in you publishing little work, but of outstanding quality, than publishing lots of mediocre pieces. One excellent article in a top journal is worth more than multiple mediocre articles in mediocre journals.

Some SCs will look at applicants who have multiple publications in mediocre journals and not think, "wow, this person is productive," but instead will think, "wow, this person can't crack the top tier journals." It's lik in "Bull Durham": Crash Davis may have hit the most home runs in the minors, but he couldn't make his time in The Show last. Some people never make it out of the minors.

zombie said...

I agree with 1:30.

http://www.universalrejection.org

Anonymous said...

does anyone know whether Columbia has moved to on-campus interviews?

zombie said...

Something to keep in mind about chapter vs. articles, etc. is that different departments have different tenure standards. They're looking to hire someone who can get tenure in their department, and some have pretty minimal publishing requirements. So, there are a lot of places that would look on that book chapter quite favorably. An R1, maybe not.

Anonymous said...

"Something to keep in mind about chapter vs. articles, etc. is that different departments have different tenure standards. They're looking to hire someone who can get tenure in their department, and some have pretty minimal publishing requirements. So, there are a lot of places that would look on that book chapter quite favorably. An R1, maybe not."

This is true, but not terribly helpful advice for grad students facing the market. Or, rather, it serves as a painful reminder about the market: building your CV in a way that appeals to one kind of school could lose you the chance at being considered for another kind of school.

Given that most jobs are not at R1's, it's pretty risky aiming for them. Playing the odds, one's best bet is to aim for "teaching schools." Publish (almost) anywhere, get broad teaching experience, and make sure your advisors note how great you will be as a teacher of diverse populations and produce scholarship that appeals to a broad readership. However, if you do this, kiss R1's goodbye. They want top-notch publishers, the kind that look like flight risks to teaching schools. (Also, many advisors won't help their students aim toward what they sometimes see as lesser jobs.)

Too many grad students look at the market the wrong way, aiming for R1's (or exclusive SLACs) and then thinking they will accept posts at teaching colleges as back-up options. However, none of those schools see themselves as backup options. And none are interested in hiring people who see those schools as inferior jobs. This is one reason why so many people get bent out of shape when they see people with relative weak publications get jobs; they assume that the market is designed to make sure the "best" applicants get jobs, with "best" being objectively defined in terms of publication strength. But schools define "best" variably, and sometimes unpredictably.

Anonymous said...

this is 11:30am on book chapters vs. peer-reviewed articles

10:15pm makes a very important point - my experiences are that of a SC member at an R1 school.

Anonymous said...

What about books vs. articles? My book came out last year in a top 10 press, not OUP or CUP, but a good house. In addition I have two 2 notch pubs and a number of peculiar little pieces that only fit weird journals. How are books measured? I should note I am applying to Associate level positions only.

By the way, anyone here anything about Umass, Amherst.

Anonymous said...

Columbia has scheduled on-campus interviews.

Derek Bowman said...

@10:15 "Too many grad students look at the market the wrong way..."

This is right, but the problem is that there are lots of wrong ways to look at the market and not really any right ones.

As you say: "But schools define "best" variably, and sometimes unpredictably."

Exactly.

Anonymous said...

There seems to be a tinge of resentment regarding the fact that TT jobs at SLACs and other teaching institutions are not a reliable fall back for people who would rather be at R1s. This resentment strikes me as a bit petulant. Believe it or not, some of us look at teaching institutions as the first choice and prepared in graduate school with landing such a position as our primary aim. Why should it be seen as an injustice that we are therefore better prepared to compete for the jobs we prepared for than people who may be more competitive for a completely different kind of job?

Anonymous said...

"Why should it be seen as an injustice that we are therefore better prepared to compete for the jobs we prepared for than people who may be more competitive for a completely different kind of job?"

Best I can tell...

1. All job seekers were trained at research institutions, and so are biased based on training.
1a. Many advisors instill this thinking, assuming that the kinds of jobs they have are by definition the best.
2. Most grad students are trained as researchers first, not teachers, and so privilege that in their job search.

But perhaps most importantly...

3. Some people are just petulant whiners, who think they deserve the world, and can't bear when someone else gets what they think it rightfully theirs. (Another belief, from what I can tell, instilled in many grad students.)

Philosophy is obsessed with rankings. Look back through random threads and note how often people talk about ranked programs, "top-tier" journals, asking if a chapter is better than an article, etc. And then there are others who spend their time complaining about rankings, and often just institute a new means to place value.

As with other things, it's all about winning.

Derek Bowman said...

The problem is that most grad students who focus on and aim for research jobs won't get research jobs. But also, most grad students who focus on and aim for teaching jobs won't get teaching jobs.

If you decide to aim for a research job and don't get it, you're an entitled whiner who was too good for teaching. Thus it's your fault that you didn't get a job.

If you would prefer a research job but are happy to try for teaching jobs because you recognize that's where the work is, then you're an entitled whiner who only thinks of teaching schools as a backup plan. Thus it's your fault that you didn't get a job.

If you would prefer a teaching job and so focus on that, you're not a serious scholar and you don't realize that 'teaching schools' want good researchers to. Thus it's your fault that you didn't get a job.

The important thing is that we find some way to blame the systematic employment problems in the field on the personal vices of job candidates so that you know you'll be an exception (if you're a job candidate), or so you can rest assured you're not part of the problem (if you're involved in hiring or training job candidates).

In my experience grad students contemplating the job market and faculty that already have good, stable jobs are sometimes overly invested in rankings. But most grad students and new PhDs actually on the job market are obsessed with finding stable employment that pays a decent wage in a field they've spent most of their adult lives training for and being socialized in.

Anonymous said...

@ 6:25

"1. All job seekers were trained at research institutions, and so are biased based on training."

False. It's just that those programs who put forth large efforts to instill pedagogical training aren't ranked (by the research-heavy) as "top-tier" (where that indicates research-heaviness), and so you haven't heard of those programs (hence the [false] universal claim 'All job seekers...). I agree that philosophy is obsessed with rankings. That's probably because most who do philosophy aren't concerned with actually doing any real thinking. They want their thinking done for them by metrics.

Anonymous said...

Yes, yes: whining, merit, top journals...excellent.

Say, does anyone know if there is a UK job wiki or blog?

Relatedly, anyone know if Nottignham has made their decisions?

Anonymous said...

Any word on the Arizona State interview that flipped on the wiki today, then went back?

Anonymous said...

"Yes, yes: whining, merit, top journals...excellent."

Speaking of whining ... :)

Anonymous said...

Dear All,

This is the permanent thread for info and questions about specific jobs. There's another thread for discussion of rankings, advice, and so on.

Anonymous said...

@6:21 Arizona State (soc and pol) has not made decisions about first round interviews yet.

Anonymous said...

In the absence of the JFP/APA timeline I feel that the Smoker blog should now offer an "award" to the school with the longest time lapse between application due date and announcement of first round interviews. From my list I've got Wisconsin-Eau Claire which just hit the two month mark today. Anyone else top that?

Anonymous said...

"From my list I've got Wisconsin-Eau Claire which just hit the two month mark today. Anyone else top that?"

Appalachian State, too.

Anonymous said...

I have asked this before to no avail, and hate to be annoying, but has no one heard anything about the visiting lecturer positions at Loyola Chicago?

Anonymous said...

Anyone heard from Tulane about campus visits after their first round interview? If not, does anyone else have info about their timeline for getting back to people about campus visits?

Anonymous said...

@11:17,

I haven't heard anything from Loyola Chicago.

Anonymous said...

"Appalachian State, too."

Regarding ASU, it's tricky. The job ad lists December 15 as the deadline, while in the job description, it says that review would begin November 3. If the latter is correct, then yes, they are dragging their heels. But if the former is correct, then the deadline was only two weeks ago.

Anonymous said...

Tulane has already gotten in touch w/ some candidates who did 1st round interviews to schedule on campus interviews.

Anyone hear from Bryn Mawr about campus visits after the 1st round interview?

Anonymous said...

San Diego State campus visits?

Anonymous said...

Just to clarify, for which Tulane job have candidates been invited to campus?

Anonymous said...

Anyone know anything about Chicago? They are on the wiki (out of nowhere) as having invited people out for campus interviews. Is that right?

Anonymous said...

Anyone hear about MIT, Hampshire College, or Stanford McCoy postdoc?

Anonymous said...

I am also awaiting news of San Diego State campus visits. I was told by two different faculty members at the time of the interview that they were trying to let people know before the holidays. However, they both told me they would still need to talk to travel office and HR. So, I don't know if they offered fly outs, and no one has updated the wiki, or if bureaucracy slowed everything down, and we will have to wait until the university starts up again for info.

If anyone knows the people at SDSU, and could ask, they would be rad.

Anonymous said...

6:47
yeah saw that too. unpleasant way to start my Sunday, another dream gone.

Anonymous said...

I heard that Chicago is down to a final three for the early modern job. Don't know anything about anything else.

Anonymous said...

U. Chicago has already scheduled campus visits for all its three job postings (Philosophy of Science, German Idealism, and Early Modern).

Has anyone heard anything about the Mellon Post-Doc at Cornell?

Anonymous said...

I still have hope for a first-round interview with LSE, Bentley University, Deep Springs College, Cal State San Marco, Indiana U of Penn, Marymount, Macalester, Lynchburg, Cal Irvine, and Cal Bakersfield. Does that seem right, or did I miss some updates?

Anonymous said...

Re: Chicago. Look at their events calendar.

Anonymous said...

@11:46

According to the wiki Macalaster, Bentley, and Marymount have all scheduled first round interviews

Anonymous said...

6:41 :

Tulane - Ethics.

Anonymous said...

11:46, I can confirm that Macalester has done first round interviews

Anonymous said...

11:46 AM,

I think Macalester already scheduled first round interviews.

zombie said...

Macalester had first-rounds at APA. Bentley College is on the wiki as having scheduled first-rounds in early Dec.

Anonymous said...

@11:46am

Marymount had interviews at the APA

Anonymous said...

Georgia Tech, Lingnan and LSE?

Anonymous said...

central? metro state?

Anonymous said...

Whatever happened to Fashion Institute of Technology? I know that some people said they received PFOs a while back. Have they scheduled interviews yet?

Anonymous said...

Berkeley scheduled visits:

http://philosophy.berkeley.edu/events/upcoming

Anonymous said...

i know someone who had a first-round at Fashion Institute of Technology. Don't know whether they've moved to on-campuses.

Anonymous said...

Anything re: campus visits at NC Chapel Hill?

Anonymous said...

Still nothing from Central Florida, Anchorage, or El Paso.

Anybody?

Anchorage advertised the job last year and then withdrew it toward the end of the season. Maybe they'll do it again.

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