Thursday, December 25, 2014

APA attendees, report to HQ.

I'm not going, but those of you who are, report back. I'm curious to know what it's like now that it's no longer THE place for job interviews. Is it a ghost town? Is it the same as it ever was? Are there tumbleweeds rolling through the Smoker?

~zombie

43 comments:

Anonymous said...

So far things are very quiet. It's either because of Skype or because the conference doesn't start for another day. Time will tell.

Anonymous said...

Cabrini is apparently under the impression that the people at the placement desk will schedule their interviews for them (which, of course, they won't). So, basically, nobody seems to know when their interview with Cabrini will be and the placement desk has no idea when this issue will be resolved. So, to confirm, the people at Cabrini are really out of touch with how the market / placement service works.

This is my only APA interview. I'm really beginning to think that I shouldn't have come.

Anonymous said...

"This is my only APA interview. I'm really beginning to think that I shouldn't have come."

I generally don't sympathize with people who have bad interview experiences, mostly because of schadenfreude, but I really feel bad for you. Sorry for the colossal fuck up. I guess I won't be applying to Cabrini, despite their deadline still being three weeks away.

Anonymous said...

If anyone is up for heavy drinking at the conference, let me know. I'll be the guy in a suit. We will have to speak in code. Here's how it works.

You: "Let's get drunk."

Me (again, guy in suit, this is important): "Do I know you?"

You: "Really drunk."

Then I will walk away, pretending to look confused. You follow me. I'm heading to the bar to buy you a drink, even if it looks like I'm not. Just keep following.

zombie said...

Holy mackerel, that is lame and also totally sucks.

Anonymous said...

1:00 is correct. I also came only for the Cabrini interview.

Anonymous said...

I once went to Boston to try and see if I could get an interview decades ago. Times were different then, and we were actually encouraged to attend even if we did not have a scheduled interview. I had none, and got none.

But what I did have was a great experience. I met an old friend at the job postings, and we went to the Italian district and had a great meal. I went to a Hungarian restaurant, found copper wire in my rice, complained and was accused of trying to get a free meal, and I paid in full with a tip to just my waiter and insisted that the cook get nothing. I watched a great playoff game in a boisterous bar and had a great time.

I was piss-poor and yet learned a lot--like never, ever attending another APA without an interview.

So I never had one of those but luckily managed to stay in the profession after 70 apps and the one non-APA interview that gave me my job today. It only takes one.

Best of luck (like mine) to those who love this insane profession. It played out for me--I hope it does for you.

zombie said...

I'm curious about the communications between Cabrini and candidates:
Did they not broach the subject of interview times with candidates at all?
Did they indicate that they would be scheduling the interview times later?

I never had an APA (or other) interview that wasn't scheduled at the time the invitation to interview was made. That's how it's done. The placement office only exists to keep the super secret interview locations a secret. Cabrini seems shockingly inept.

Anonymous said...

anyone attending apa who does *not* have interviews this year? and if so, just for curiosity's sake, what was your reason (to support friends who have interviews, go to the talks, in the hopes of an unexpected interview?)

Anonymous said...

"Did they not broach the subject of interview times with candidates at all?"

Not in the invitation email. They are now scheduling interviews with candidates who showed up to the APA and submitted a Request to Interview form.

"Did they indicate that they would be scheduling the interview times later?"

Not in the invitation email. The email suggested that there would be a way to select an interview time at the Placement Desk. There is not.

Anonymous said...

You know why it's quiet in here? Because nobody wants to pay $13 a day to access the fuckin' internet from a hotel room! The Marriott are greedy bastards, and the APA are terrible negotiators.

Anonymous said...

To be fair, Cabrini is now handling themselves well. I put in an interview request last night around 8pm, and I had something scheduled when I checked the next morning.

According to the guy at the Placement Desk, they are being much more diligent about responding to interview requests than the other schools that are taking them.

Anonymous said...

I wasn't able to make it to the APA but I have a phone interview scheduled with Cabrini.

Anonymous said...

Wifi is free in the lobby.

Anonymous said...

1pm here again. I agree with 8:16. Cabrini does seem to be doing all they can to remedy the situation. They were just really out of touch initially with how the placement service works. My interview too got scheduled promptly the next morning, and I now really look forward to it.

Anonymous said...

I've never even heard of Cabrini; is it a community college? I think a good rule of thumb is to not apply to places you--or anyone else--haven't heard of.

Anonymous said...

The Smoker seemed half decently attended to me, but it was a lot more like a Central than the Easterns I've seen before. There seemed to be relatively few interviewees having been more or less forced to have those awkward conversations with interviewing departments.

Anonymous said...

I'll be interested to see what exactly Cabrini's interviews are like and what bearing they have on the hiring process.
No matter how that question gets answered they're going to end up treating applicants quite unfairly and shabbily. Remember the deadline isn't even for two weeks. Will they seriously consider applicants whose applications come in after the APA as their job ad promises? If so, then the whole premise that a lot of people are going into these interviews with-- that it's a necessary condition for advancing to the next round of this job search-- is false. If not then they've lied in their ad. No matter what happens here they've not only seriously inconvenienced a lot of applicants they've mislead them too. Now maybe that's out of incompetence rather than malice, but that doesn't make it much better. They owed it to their applicants to be open about the process and to have some idea of what goes on in the job market. Even by the low standards that our profession has for how job applicants should be treated, Cabrini has failed miserably. Now you might say that they're out of touch, but it was their obligation to get in touch. They've a lot more power than their applicants, and not to go all cliche, but power does give you responsibility.

Anonymous said...

I farted during my interview today. It was one of those silent but very, very deadly farts. I think I made the committee sick.

Anonymous said...

"I've never even heard of Cabrini; is it a community college? I think a good rule of thumb is to not apply to places you--or anyone else--haven't heard of."

Oh, you've never heard of it? Well, it must not be worth a damn then.

Honestly, what a tiny world you must live in. Do you really believe that your ignorance should be taken as the market standard?

Also, thanks for also tossing in a dismissal of community colleges for good measure.

Anonymous said...



"I've never even heard of Cabrini; is it a community college? I think a good rule of thumb is to not apply to places you--or anyone else--haven't heard of."

Apparently 9:54 doesn't need a job....

Anonymous said...

I've never been to one of these things before but was standing behind a bunch of old timers who were calling the smoker a ghost town, and bemoaning the downfall of the Eastern.

Anonymous said...

I agree with 9:54. What a crap school Cabrini is. And they bungled the whole process too. I'd rather leave philosophy than have to work at a place like that. BTW, community colleges are shit jobs too.

Anonymous said...

Several schools were taking interview requests, including John Carroll, Cabrini, Saint Leo, Long Island, and UMBC. Long Island is only interviewing candidates with Ph.D. in hand.

Anonymous said...

@9:54

My rule of thumb is to never use anything less than a solid gold toilet and promissory notes to wipe.

But sometimes the little people have to slum it I guess.

zombie said...

According to the US Dept of Education, there were 2,870 4-year colleges in the US in 2011. Probably roughly that number today. I could probably name 200, and that's just guessing that every state has a University of _____. I predict that the schools I can name are largely concentrated on the east and west coasts.

I've applied to lots of places I had never heard of before. But I never applied to Cabrini.

Looking forward to hearing about the Cabrini interviews.

Anonymous said...

The Cabrini interview not real first round. Youngest person in their department is 65. They have not a hire in over 30 years.

What is this about a phone interview with Cabrini?

Anonymous said...

"I could probably name 200, and that's just guessing that every state has a University of _____."

That's all? C'mon, did your program not offer a workshop on Colleges Worth Applying To in your PhD program? You must have had a really shitty placement director if he was willing to just let you apply without the proper training and preparation.

Anonymous said...

My tenured job (4/4) was in a city I had never heard of at a campus of a state system I had--though not that particular campus.

Love my career. Your mileage may vary, though that completely depends on the nature of your PGR: Power Guided Resourcefulness.

zombie said...

5:37 - I did indeed have a really shitty placement director. Really, really shitty.

I now have a TT job in a school I had never heard of in a place I did not know existed.

Anonymous said...

"Looking forward to hearing about the Cabrini interviews."

Very pleasant. More conversational than I am used to. There was a lot of emphasis placed on the teaching demands, and the sense I got is that the APA interviews will be used to gauge candidates' interest in committing long-term to Cabrini. Because of the experiential learning courses that one will teach, the job will have greater teaching demands than a typical 4/4 load. Plus lots of service. Not going to have much time for research with this job, but if you love teaching, it looks like a great opportunity.

Anonymous said...

"I now have a TT job in a school I had never heard of in a place I did not know existed."

I have a similar job. And our lives are a sorry lot, aren't they? Some of things I regularly have to do at conferences:
1. Explain to people where my college is. Sometimes this requires a map.
2. Accept the apologies of others as they bemoan the fact that someone as good as me is "stuck" in such a location.
3. Explain how live manages to happen in a place that is so far off the map.

Of course, I also laugh hysterically at such people, because they refuse to believe the following:
1. I live within commuting distance of 2 of the most exciting cities in North America, and do so for 1/4 of the cost of living in those cities. For a short drive and a little gas money, I get all the benefits of living in a destination city without any of the expense or hassle.
2. I live in a pretty fantastic community, with great people and safe streets. I have neighbors who never lock their doors, even when they go out of town. People love living here, and many of my students who come from out of the area find ways to stay here after they graduate.
3. Can I say again how much I love taking advantage of the excitement of city life at 1/4 the cost of living? Seriously, this is amazing. One of my friends from grad school got a job in her "dream city," but can't take advantage of what it has to offer because she spends most of her salary (which is higher than mine) just to live in that city.

I was worried about this place when I got here, but holy shit was I a moron. I didn't realize it at the time, but this place gave me something grad school did not prepare me for: happiness.

For those of you who self-select out of searches at schools you deem undesirable, please allow me to thank you. Keep up the good work, and help other open-minded people find happiness.

-5:37

Anonymous said...

As an adjunct, can I simply underscore the membership fees and registration costs are basically the same as two day ticket to disney world? Because this is insane.

Anonymous said...

@5:37--I was invited to interview with Cabrini at the APA. When I told them I couldn't make it they said they'd arrange for a phone interview instead.

Anonymous said...

As long as we are bitching about the APA, I will put in my $0.02. I thought the newer friendlier APA would have done a better job of dealing with those of us who have childcare issues. I had the roughest time coming without my two-year old. I had to arrange for two days of care at home because I had no idea how to find a babysitter at the conference. Whoever in the APA offices thought that they discharged their duties to help philosophers who are parents by sending out an email which essentially amounted to a link to RandomWebsiteAboutDaycareInPhilly.com or something like that clearly has never interacted with a parent.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else who was at the APA come down with the flu afterward?

Anonymous said...

Yes, I woke up on Dec. 31st with the flu. There's no doubt I brought it home from Philadelphia.

Anonymous said...

I notice that Cabrini has flipped on the wiki again. Have they begin to schedule actual first-rounds?

Anonymous said...

I am pretty sure there is just a minor fight on what that weird interview counted as. I was told that the search committee had not even met yet, and they would not be scheduling interviews until the end of January.

Anonymous said...

"Did anyone else who was at the APA come down with the flu afterward?"

Started showing symptoms a few days after.

Anonymous said...

I would bet that Cabrini will forget virtually everything about the candidates interviewed at the APA and that things will be a square one on Jan. 15 (the deadline). To double down: the APA interviews will play no role in who is selected for the real first-round interviews.

zombie said...

3:29 -- yep, it was UC irvine.

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