Tuesday, August 25, 2015

What to do about the Phylo jobs wiki?

David Morrow, co-founder of the Phylo job wiki with Chris Sula, writes in to ask about whether people would like to continue using the current platform or migrate it elsewhere. He says (emphasis added):
Since someone submitted the first job of the year to the Phylo job wiki, and someone else asked about wikis on the job-info thread, I thought this would be a good time for people to discuss whether they would like to continue using the Phylo wiki or would rather migrate to something else, like academicjobs.wikia.com. I'll continue to maintain the Phylo wiki if people want to use it, but I know that some people would prefer that the community use something else, and such a decision is hard to reverse once the job market is really under way.
What do y'all think?

-- Jaded, Ph.D. 

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

I'm glad it exists, but I try to avoid going to it as much as I can. Eventually, I always succumb, go to the wiki, and taste the depression of another job not to be had.

Anonymous said...

The job wiki never brings me good news. I haven't visited it in four years and find it to be an overall bad presence in the job market. People will scam it, people will stress about it, people will obsessively check it. I am glad I haven't made use of it.

Anonymous said...

It has basically ruined my life twice but I want it back anyway. I'm the sort who prefers to know even when it causes me great anxiety.

Anonymous said...

While I love reading all these heartfelt comments, the question is not how you feel about the presence of the wiki in your life. It is whether the wiki ought to be hosted on phylo.info or academicjobs.wikia.com. But, please, more about your stress, depression, and anxiety.

Anonymous said...

954, there's a thread on Daily Nous about you!

Anonymous said...

I think we should use the wikia wiki because people can add comments indicating some numbers of interviews, dates they were told, updates, etc.

Anonymous said...

How about we wait and see if there are any real jobs left in this godforsaken 'profession' before worrying about where to post information regarding them. This obsession with detailing abysmal job market stats is like keeping a scorecard for a very uneventful ballgame. A whole lotta zeroes, ones, and twos. I suppose one can take some consolation, or enjoy a bit of schadenfreude, seeing how terrible others are doing, too. The question as to whether the wiki belongs on site x or site y is profoundly uninteresting. The answer to questions as pedestrian as that is the same as it ever was: flip a coin. Why not stick it on one of those metablog sites where everyone is too clever by half? I want job info updates and irrelevant ass-trollery all in the same spot, a one-stop clearing house of philosophers for sale, complete with asinine comment section full of pathological bluster.

Anonymous said...

Do we have a decision about the jobs wiki for the current year? Personally, I would like to see the Phylo jobs wiki continued. (Thanks to David Morrow for maintaining it.)

Anonymous said...

Here's another vote for continuing the wiki, and a note of thanks to David Morrow for his work on it in the past and (I hope) in the present.

david morrow said...

As far as I'm concerned: No, we don't have a decision. But perhaps people are more willing to discuss now that applications are mostly submitted.

So with thanks to Jaded for starting this thread back in August, let me ask everyone again:

Should I continue to run the Phylo wiki? Or should everyone who's interested just switch to a decentralized wiki like academicjobs.wikia.com?

The question is not about whether there should be a wiki at all, whether it's a good idea to check it, etc.

Also, in light of Anon 6:17's comment above, I guess I should note that the Phylo wiki does allow commenting, displaying the history of a job listing, etc. See the screencast on using the wiki at http://phylo.info/jobs/help

Anonymous said...

I find academicjobs.wikia.com somewhat cumbersome, and it is not tailored to philosophers. So I would prefer to continue with the Phylo wiki.

david morrow said...

The alternative doesn't have to be wikia.com, of course. I seem to recall that the wiki had been hosted somewhere else prior to the creation of the Phylo wiki. Does anybody remember where?

And there is a page on wikia.com that's devoted to philosophy jobs, though it hasn't been updated in a long time

Anonymous said...

With huge thanks to David Morrow for providing this service, I would be very grateful to see the Phylo wiki continue. It's often the only source of information during a very stressful process, and I would appreciate its continued existence.

Anonymous said...

I'd vote for keeping up the Phylo wiki. What I find particularly helpful (and so what I'd like to see on this version, if possible):
- when people can post updates (and dittos, e.g. when "Request for writing samples" is updated to be "x5" as five people get the same request) to the jobs
- when people provide info about the number of applications their letters say were received: if this can be archived, it helps people in the next year/next time that dept is hiring at that level to know a bit about what they're up against (and can make people feel happy about even just getting to the interview stage, knowing they were somewhere around the top x% etc)

I second all the thanks to David Morrow for providing this service. Thank you!

Anonymous said...

Many thanks to Dave. Please do keep phylo alive this season.

Anonymous said...

Yes, please keep the wiki alive! It is a great source to turn to--even if it produces stress, it also helps disseminate important information and manage one's expectations in a very stressful time...

Anonymous said...

Yes, thanks to Dave. I was completely fine with the Phylo platform but don't have a strong preference about platform either way.

Anonymous said...

I am posting here: http://academicjobs.wikia.com/wiki/Philosophy_2015-2016 until further notice. No disrespect to the amazing work that David does at the phylo wiki, but it is not clear if that is going to continue this year? I'd be happy to move over there once that becomes clear

david morrow said...

The Phylo Wiki is up, thanks to the wonders of structured procrastination.

You may submit job listings at http://phylo.info/jobs/wiki/add and view the wiki at http://phylo.info/jobs/wiki. Please take a moment to create a listing for at least one job that you've applied to.

If you're new to the wiki, please watch the short tutorial video here.

david morrow said...

Also, for those who remember the puzzling disappearance of some user accounts and job entries last year, I finally resolved that issue last night. It shouldn't happen again.

Anonymous said...

Thank you so much, David!

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